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# The Exchange of the Cross - Conversation
- URL: https://notesonwisdom.com/episodes/the-exchange-of-the-cross-conversation/
- Published: 2026-10-09T11:00:57.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-12T17:58:13.000Z
- Description: Heather and I sit down to discuss one of the most important practices of a true spiritual journey and how we can each live into it every day. This is simple but powerful!
- Author: John Walt
- Tags: Discussions, #audio, The Journey

The Exchange of the Cross - Conversation

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How do we exchange our brokenness for God's wholeness? How do you live into what Jesus did on the cross every day? We practice the exchange of the cross. Heather taught this to me over a decade ago, and I now think it is essential for a real transformation journey. 

At the end of this conversation, I lead you through a guided Exchange of the Cross prayer. I hope this practice impacts you as much as it does me. 

Click the audio icon above to listen to it. 

\-John Walt